Here are some suggested questions for teachers to ask following next week's presidential address to schoolchildren:
What resonated with you from the President Obama's speech?
What is President Obama inspiring you to do?
Are we able to do what President Obama is asking us to do?
Click here to read the preK-6 teacher guide.
Click here to read the grade 7-12 teacher guide.
Questions like these, from the U.S. Department of Education's guide for teachers, have some parents and pundits worrying that the president's Sept. 8 speech to students across the country reeks of political indoctrination.
Others say it's hard to argue with a message of each child taking responsibility for his or her educational success.
In Charlotte, Associate Superintendent Ann Clark e-mailed CMS principals this week, encouraging them to make sure all students can watch the speech. She forwarded Department of Education suggested activities.
You can also find the guides, keep up with White House updates and figure out how to watch the speech by clicking here.
- Ann Doss Helms
Thursday, September 3, 2009
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1 – 200 of 220 Newer› Newest»In 1991, before President Bush spoke to schoolchildren, then-House Majority Leader Dick Gephardt (D-Missouri) said, “The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the President.”
What has changed?
What has changed?
The Messiah is now in charge.
I don't have kids in CMS, but if I did I'd be keeping them home from school on the day of His Speech.
Concerned parents should keep their children out of school that day. I cetainly would.
Nothing has changed. The weak minded of each party will seek advantage where none exists. Republican or Democrat, or Other, he is the President of all Americans. I support his message to children and I support the right of those to disagree and dissent.
There should be no problem with or fear of our President speaking to the students of our country about the importance of education or any other civic goal. Either in 1991 or now.
To heavymetal...
What is the concern?
To Anonymous at 12:55...
Why would you keep your children at home? It sounds like a good opportunity to hear from our President and engage in the process. My kids were 9 and 10 in 1991 when President Bush spoke to the school children. I remember we talked about it that evening. Even though I am a Democrat and had not voted for him, I still thought it was a good thing for him to do.
It is shocking to me how many people despise our president so much that they don't even want him to speak to their children in a public forum. I was no fan of George W. Bush, but I certainly wouldn't have gotten upset over him making a speech to the children, especially not enough to keep them at home. Why all the hate?
For those wondering WHY some Americans are SO concerned, here is your answer:
If Obama was simply talking to kids about education and welcoming them back to school, nobody would have a problem with this. However, the instructions sent to school districts, (which have since been changed), encouraged teachers to have children write ways in which they "could help the President spread the message they just heard".
It's not over-zealous or alarmist to worry about this. Decades ago, a several nice young men realized they could build power by indoctrinating the youngest of their populations...school children. These men...Hitler and Stalin.
I am not comparing Obama to these dictators...but the precedent is there. Kennedy, Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Bush...have all addressed schools in some way. But, they dealt with education only.
Obama's guide was to have included discussions of the economy and the environment (that may have now changed). Has he lost so much "hope" that he now is going to the K-6 crowd to preach his gospel?
So...the issue is not that he is addressing kids. Most of us think it's great for a President to take the time to do this. The problem is the message he was planning to preach (once again, this will probably now change).
I'd at least like to see it first to make sure it coincides with what I'm teaching my children.
I'm not a Obama supporter, but if I had school age children, I wouldn't have a problem with them watching his speech. He is the President. Now, after the speech, I would talk with them about what they understood. It time we starting raising our kids. That's what being a parent is all about. Make sure they understand that there's two sides to every story and somewhere in the middle they will find the truth.
Very good point. Many of the teachers I know and work with have made a very interesting point....nearly every lesson they teach, video they show, book they use is previewed ahead of time. In this case, the Obama administration has given instructions on what to do....but only vague ideas about content.
For example, previously Obama was planning to to preach about global warming (to help support his "cap & trade" policy). As a teacher, I would like to be able to present both sides, or at a minimum discuss simple recycling benefits for kids...not the politics of global warming.
The entire Obama Admnistration (and regrettably, the Democrat party and Liberals) have taken the stance..."agree with us, or your stupid". Obama's address to the schools is aimed at "educating" kids in THEIR way of thinking...period.
The people here who hate President Obama so much are nothing but white supremacist trash. How dare you make such false and disgusting statements that have no basis in actual fact. Leave it to people here in Charlotte to still hate someone because they are not rich and white. I wish you Ballentyne folks would just disappear.
The subject of the speech is and always has been on the importance of students' taking responsibility for their success in school. What in the world is wrong with that?
Interesting comment...
"Now, after the speech, I would talk with them about what they understood. It time we starting raising our kids. That's what being a parent is all about. Make sure they understand that there's two sides to every story and somewhere in the middle they will find the truth."
BUT...here's the problem. YOU won't be with your kids when Obama preaches to them, so how will you know what to talk about. You make a great point...THESE issues are things that should be discussed by parents...not by indoctrination. The problem is that they will not get "middle" view...they will get only ONE view...Obama's view.
I totally agree with you...and your argument actually leads credibility to the argument that THIS is a very dangerous and bad thing the president is doing.
Great for CMS, but I have opted out of these Orwellian activities for my child. I am firmly a Libertarian and do not condone Federal intervention in what should be locally run school activities. The local school representatives are accountable to me when it involves my child. I have chosen the curriculum that I am comfortable with and will not allow Orwellian activites which usurp my God given authority over my child. My message to anyone who attempts to usurp my God given rights as a parent and American: DON'T TREAD ON ME!
Yes, keep your little darlings at home in Southpark and force them to watch FOX NEWS until they are brainwashed just as bad as you. Ignor the truth, don't listen, have your olm mother push people around at a town hall meetin with her walker and yell racist statements - because Glen Beck told you too! God have mercy on your living souls.
"The subject of the speech is and always has been on the importance of students' taking responsibility for their success in school."
Did you read the guide that was sent out? I did.
Read a wee bit more carefully. The guide says to have your students write about ways in which they can help the President with the ideas that he discussed. Actual words, "have students answer the question, 'What can you do to help the President'?"
Why is Obama recruiting kids to help him?
I totally agree with you...if motivating kids to work harder in school was his true purpose....but, you and I both know...that is not the purpose
The influence that Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh is having will back fire. I do hope that there's only a small segment of this population who just cannot stand to see a black president in office. These children will one day grow up and perhaps regret the fact that they did not witness an historic moment....Why? because of weak minded folks who are followers and not leaders......How can someone in their right mind follow Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and the filth on Fox News?
Oh my god woman, shut up with your loose comments about your 'God given rights as a parent'. There is no such thing. It's obvious you don't get out much. Now go on back to raising more ignorance.
Some of your seriously object to your children hearing the President of the United States encourage to take responsiblity for their success in school. Really?
Hey Shalom....
what does this have to do with Obama being a "black" President?
Just curious.....the issue has absolutely NOTHING to do with him being black.
But...seems like that is always the cry when anyone criticzes Obama. Maybe...just maybe....many of us criticize him because of his policies and ideas. The heck with his skin color.
What a lot of people are missing is that there is a growing disdain of the Federal Government, and it started under George W Bush with the out of control growth of government. Obama has continued that growth at lightspeed. Americans are learning about the Radicals and Communists that he surrounds himself with and they are not going to accept it.
Some of you seriously object to your children hearing the President of the United States encourage them to take responsiblity for their success in school. Really? (corrected typos)
WOW...I had no idea that there would be so many "sheep" on here bowing down to the dictator Obama.
Once again...did any of you read the guide that was sent out? I DID. Or, did you get your facts from CNN and MSNBC (as usual).
I read the guide...and it's scary!!! No President in our history has attempted to preach policies to school age children. THAT is what worries so many of us.
Apparently, most that do not believe our rights are derived from God and not government need to refresh themselves on American History. Also, you need to look at the writings of Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, and Martin Luther King. They are all in agreement on this one issue.
Yes I read the guide and it if you honestly object to your child's teacher reinforcing a positive message about the importance of education, feel free to keep your child home. My question is why you would object to your child hearing this from the President.
why would I object? Because my child would be exposed to political views without my knowledge or presence. Because you know this is NOT about telling kids to "stay in school"...this is about prophecizing the gospel of Obama.
If you truly read the guides...then you already know this...but you are too blind to admit it.
This is a quote lifted directly off of the White House website: :WASHINGTON, D.C. – As children across America go back to school, President Obama will deliver a national address directly to students on the importance of taking responsibility for their success in school on Tuesday, September 8th at 12:00 PM EDT at Wakefield High School in Arlington. In advance of this address, the Department of Education is providing resources developed by and for teachers to help engage students and stimulate discussion about persisting and succeeding in school."
You right wing, sorry republicans. Can't you get over the fact that your piece of trash Bush is no longer in charge. He ruined us all and will pay for it in HELL. Thank God almighty that we now have President Obama. Stop being mad because now that you have so much money, you are finally getting taxed the way you always should have. Poor people can't pay it, but you surely can. Hope you enjoy writing those checks while you're watching Fox News, by God.
I would not let the lying sack of socialist dirt Obama talk to my children under any circumstances. Are you people too stupid to realize the guy is trying to build a power base (10th-12th graders now will be voters in 2012)that will make him a virtual dictator? ACORN, Americorps, MoveOn are already his legions. You want your kids to be Obama robots too?!
Yes...you lifted that from the website TODAY. But...you did NOT read the guide for teachers that was sent out last week.
"have your children write about ways in which they can help the President with the ideas they have just heard"
hmmmmmmmmm??????
God bless President Obama!
inthemiddle:
You can say what you want to about this having nothing to do with his skin color.....IT DOES!!! When I see folks acting crazy at these town hall meetings "talking about losing their country" they sound like nutty folks...When I notice a rise in hate groups and a silly governor from Texas, along with the silly folks there talking about succession.....IT DOES!!!!
Jack Johnson, Jackie Robinson, Hank Aaron and so many other "first" had to deal with a bunch of losers who for some strange, stupid reason, thought that their skin color made them better. How Stupid is That!!!???
Get over it folks! Obama will be a two term president. And your children will be adults when he gets out of office. And they will wonder why folks hated this man.... And you betta be careful because the world is changing and nutty folks will no longer have a say in well diverse society. Get over it folks!!!! He's only the first black president. Hopefully there will be more and later an Hispanic and Jewish and whoever else is QUALIFIED!!!
inthemiddle - Would you have felt this way if the speech was being given by President Bush?
Gee,as a learning tool, have the teachers ask the kids how they can help take responsibility for their success in school. What a novel concept!
Hey "inthemiddle", I think it's time someone staged an intervention for you, because you've "gone off the deep end".
The only "hate" I am seeing here in the comments are from the people attacking those that choose to question the president and his motives.
Seems that some are very intolerant of anything counter to obama no matter what the facts may say.
I seem to remember during the previous administration that "dissent was patriotic"??
WOW....did you just "thank God for Obama"????? That is so scary.
If you actually knew what you were talking about, you would know that BOTH Clinton and Bush have ruined this country....it's equal parts blame for both Dems and Republicans.
But..I am sure the Messiah (Obama) will SAVE us all! He's doing such a good job....
making nice-nice with dictators and terrorists
tripling the budget deficit
covering up cabinet members that don't pay taxes
buying cars for people that can't afford them
AND YOU WANT THIS GUY TO PREACH TO MY KIDS.
"QUALIFIED"....what makes Obama qualified? He has never run a government or business of any kind. He has never even voted on a single piece of legislation (he voted "not present" every time).
Once again...I don't care what his skin color is....it has nothing to do with his lack of experience, lack of idealogy and narcissism.
Shalom...you make me laugh. You have absolutely NO argument, so you fall back on race. That is pathetic.
I would love for Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter to be re-elected, if they could be! You Bush lovers are the scariest damn things I've ever seen.
I agree with everything "Inthemiddle" posted and then some. Obama brainwashed most the the blacks into voting for him and now he's going after the kids. People, you need to wake up now; we are on a fast track to losing our country.
Yes, lets please identify the children from conservative values so any spiteful liberal teacher can sabotage there education!!!!
Obam backdoored this! He did NOT go through the protocal, he did not get parental permission and he is using this to figure out how to market his radical agenda to the next crop of voters where he can brainwash them too!
This is wrong, this is not about teaching anyone but Obama on how to control more people.
I really could not be more offended that someone surronded by the scum of the earth as he is will be speaking to the children.
Talk to US and leave the damn kids alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The problem is that he has picked all these czars that are communistic . Van Jones said that he is one himself ,not some right wing nut saying this ! The dems need to see what this guy has said. Oh and Obama picked this guy and many more . Thats the problem with this presidency.
Inthemiddle:
Obama tries to diffuse tensions, Bush just ratchets them up.
Triples the budget deficit? A large portion of the budget deficit comes from actually putting Bush's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan on the books.
Buying cars? Cash for Clunkers gave discounts for those who wanted to trade in their gas guzzlers for more fuel efficient models. It also allowed US automakers to INCREASE their sales and help the economy.
I see you get your education from the likes of Glenn Beck, Hannity, and Limbaugh
Yep, heaven forbid if the poor kids of these fundie redencks get a mind of their own and realize they can disagree with their parents. It's amazing how a democratic president, who was fairly elected by the people, is such a threat to nothing but these small minded rubes.
Brendan - I'm with you but you're just not going to get through. People see conspiracies where they want to. Let them keep their kids home if they are that afraid. Too bad such a positive effort on behalf of the President is being twisted this way and the kids kept home will be the losers.
I don't like Obama but I would have my kids listen to him depending on the message.
If it was "Stay in School" and "study hard" then that's fine.
If it became him telling kids to ask their parents about helping those poor people without health insurance then I'd be shutting off the tv faster than you could imagine.
What he should say is "School children of America, I'm am sticking you with unimaginable debt. Good luck with that"
I did not vote for Obama, yes I am White & Repulican & I have no problem with Obama speaking with my children. My kids know we will talk later, like we do every day & yes, we do talk about politics so one day they just don't decide to get involved because a Black man is running for President.
Please...would an Obama supporter make ONE argument that does not blame Bush for something?
Without blaming someone else, you have absolutely nothing positive to say about Obama. He is woefully inexperienced and misguided. He has surrounded himself with far left leaning cronies that continually offer bad advice to him.
And...this is yet one more piece of bad advice he has gotten. He should not be preaching to children about politics. That is the point of all of this discussion.
To the previous poster....YES, I WOULD FEEL EXACTLY THE SAME WAY IF BUSH WAS PREACHING POLITICS TO SCHOOL-AGE CHILDREN!!!
Once again....the issue is NOT Bush. Clearly, Bush was a failure...there's no arguing that point.
So...can we finally move on and talk about our current President? Give me one...just one...success of this presidency (that has no negatively impacted our society or economy).
"white scum"
"white trash"
"rich white elitists"
so nice to see that Liberals are such caring and open people! once again....Liberals are showing their true racist and elitist colors.
Spinning away from the general vitrol and anger about the mere existence of Obama and going back to the point of the argument...
I did read the guides (plural) and read them carefully. If you read the 7-12 guide you get a much clearer picture of what the speech will be (i.e., focusing on education, personal responsibility, goal setting) based on the discussion questions suggested. The K-6 version of the guide is just a much simplified version of those questions.
In other words, "What can you do to help the President?" isn't in the guide. However, "What is the President asking me to do?" and "What do you think the President wants us to do?" are. And these have easily interpreted meanings in the context of the defined subject of the speech.
And, as a Republican and a citizen who wants my kids to be informed so they have the knowledge to ask questions, I'll happily let them watch.
Charlotte police/fire are corrupted as hell.
inthemiddle said...
To the previous poster....YES, I WOULD FEEL EXACTLY THE SAME WAY IF BUSH WAS PREACHING POLITICS TO SCHOOL-AGE CHILDREN!!!
The we agree. Since President Obama is not preaching politics to school age children we're all good. Right?
HE IS PREACHING POLITICS...that is the problem.
I have no problem if he talks about "staying in school" and "working hard in class" kinda stuff.
But...he has absolutely no right to preach about morals in public schools. THAT is the issue.
The issue is not "white trash". It is not Bush. As your friends would like it to be.
The issue is simple....the original plan was for Obama to preach about the morals of supporting your government. That message has now changed a bit to reflect the anger of the public.
Nonetheless...the goal was to preach to children that they are supposed to mindlessly "serve" the government.
inthemiddle - Do you have a source for your information about the original subject of the speech?
"See he is a white racist"
Let me tell you a little story buddy. First I am not from South Charlotte which is your racial cry before you even know a color so you can hate others with more than you.
Second: when I was in school the freakin KKK came on our campus and left messages after trashing the campus that they were coming back to kill all "blacks" (definitely not the word they used!).
There was only one black guy in my dorm and I forced him to stay in my room for two nights till he felt safe. I carried my hunting knife and would have killed any sack of redneck $hit or die trying that got anywhere near him!!!
When I open a post and there is someone like you trying to turn this into a black /white issue it completely disgusts me and I hope you get the help you need. I am really mad right now but it is towards the whole damn government and when I calm down I would still try and protect you from those you accuse us all of being.
That is it, I am going back to work.
Yes...the original guide that was sent out last week (not the new one). And, the original postings on the White House website (not the revisions made to the site today).
Here's the problem....as with most Obama things...there's the current version and the original version. The actual message has since been changed on the White House website to tone down the original message of "What do you think the President wants us to do?".
And, the only reason that message has changed is because they got caught!
The problem is not that he is speaking to school children. The problem is that he is specifically asking impressionable kids to become mouthpieces for a political aim.
The speech is fine. The propaganda machine around it is not.
well said
I considered keeping my 14-yr old at home, but then I realized, she needs to be there. She has been raised Conservative and holds those values true. I hate to think what she would say should someone try to indoctrinate her. She goes to Northwest, so who knows if they will show it there anyway, especially if she is off-campus at one of her major classes. I trust her to stand up for what she has been taught, and that is to respect the Constitution and Conservative Values.
OK inthemiddle - give me a screenshot, link - anything to prove your conspiracy theory.
Do you approve of the subject matter now and will you send you kids to school?
Too Funny...screenshot of a website that has been changed.
Conspiracy Theory? I don't think so.
NO...I would not let my kids watch Obama without me being there. I don't need to worry about it...I pulled my kids out of CMS years ago. I decided that I didn't like the idea of politicians making educational decisions.....much like our current President trying to indoctrinate your children...but you seem to be okay with that.
Anonymous said...
The problem is not that he is speaking to school children. The problem is that he is specifically asking impressionable kids to become mouthpieces for a political aim.
The speech is fine. The propaganda machine around it is not.
Are you aware the President Bush had an entire website directed at children? http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/kids/guide
What's the difference?
"Historical ABC's"
How to Contact The President
"Presidential Occupation Quiz"
Biographies of the Presidents
Yup...that's all really bad stuff on the Bush website. NONE of it is a political statement...just simple facts about the Presidency and White House.
I love when you liberals prove me right. You couldn't get through a single argument without mentioning Bush. Too funny.
inthemiddle said...
Too Funny...screenshot of a website that has been changed.
Conspiracy Theory? I don't think so.
Actually it is entirely possible to have a sceenshot of a website that has been changed. And I would expect to see proof of the original state before I would believe what you say. Just wondering - did you see it yourself or just hear about it on TV?
so everyone in South Charlotte is a racist??? alert the media
inthemiddle said...
"Historical ABC's"
How to Contact The President
"Presidential Occupation Quiz"
Biographies of the Presidents
Yup...that's all really bad stuff on the Bush website. NONE of it is a political statement...just simple facts about the Presidency and White House.
Yup - just about as bad as President Obama speaking to kids about working hard in school.
All in your point of view I guess.
Do you think Hitler spouted his direct views when he formed his youth movement? NO -- he focused on fitness and health for his Aryan nation. Hard to argue with that too. If Obama wants to say something to our kids, let him say it in front of them with parents there, not when parents aren't with them during the school day.
I hope all you crazy anti everything obama people keep your kids home everytime they teach something that you don't like in school....evolution, environmental procetion, big bang theory ect...I would hate for them to actually learn something and it will allow my kids to get a better education.
You all need to chill, many presidents have addressed the kids and not one of them turned the youth of america into political zombies.
Give the kids more credit, they are pretty smart if you take the time to talk with them and listen.
I haven't voted democratic in years, but I refuse to hate the man that America elected president
CAN ANY OF YOU MAKE AN ARUGMENT? All I see is name calling by anyone that disagrees with his holyness Obama.
Let me be sure I have this correct...if you disagree with Obama, then you are a racist, white elitist, piece of trash...correct?
Wow....what an open and loving party the Democrats are? Hope and Change seems to be working out really really well.
All of you Obama supporters are getting exactly what you deserve.
Oh please, this 'inthemiddle' is probably just Pat McCory in disguise, still ranting and raving mad since he was stomped by Bev Purdue. Pat, we are glad she got it. Enjoy your retirement at Duke Power. Talk about corruption!!!
The paranoia has reached new heights of stupidity. So it's better for our children to NOT hear from the President, ever? What kind of isolationist world do we want them to live in? It's not like they're asking kids to sign up to become Dems in blood.
I was not aware that President Bush had a website aimed at children.....but if it was (it isn't) asking kids to take up his message and spread it around, I would disagree with it also.
Again, the problem is not that the President is addressing children. I think it is admirable. The problem is that they are being asked to write papers about "How I can help Barack Obama".
inthemiddle said...
so everyone in South Charlotte is a racist??? alert the media
--- Too late, they already know, and live there. Go figure.
For InTheMiddle:
http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
Put in the URL of the page and when you think it was there. You should be able to find the original...
inthemiddle said...
CAN ANY OF YOU MAKE AN ARUGMENT? All I see is name calling by anyone that disagrees with his holyness Obama.
Sure I can - did you forget about me? Posted the actual subject from the Whitehouse website, asked for verification of changes, sent you link to President Bush's similar effort?
I assure you I am not a fanatic. And I haven't yelled at you in caps either.
Once again, a generalization...
"The paranoia has reached new heights of stupidity. So it's better for our children to NOT hear from the President, ever? "
Nobody ever said that. It's the message that we have a problem with. WE should teach our kids to support the Office of the president...but we should not allow our children to be "preached" to.
Once again...you make a broad statement that those that disagree with don't want their kids exposed to the president "ever"...what a dumb statement.
Almost as dumb as labeling everyone in South Charlotte as rich, white and racist.
Wow, the Bush lovers are all riled up today! Haven't seen them this upset since PTL went to Hell.
ANSWER to *crystalbass* -- Nothing has changed: Bush spoke to school children despite objection, and Obama will speak to school children over your objections. At least Obama earned his educational degree on merit, can deliver a coherent speech and can spell...unlike his predecessor.
And, I read President Bush's website...just a bunch of historical facts about himself, the white house and the presidency...nothing too political about that. I'd have no problem with Obama doing something similar....but you and I both know he is not (well...he was originally not going to do that...but, I gotta believe his tune has changed now).
Inthemiddle, et al:
Okay....so you laughed...Ha Ha...
Now, all your jokes aside....Whenever you said Obama ALWAYS voted "present" or never this or that...then I know not to take you serious. Your absolute expressions are doing nothing for your cause....
Now: What is this school speech all about anyway? This is what you folks should be concerned about.
His speech to these students is not about his policies concerning Health Care, the Military, etc.
IT'S ABOUT EDUCATION!!!!! And the importance of staying in school and studying. Now, when some of you fellows barely having enough education to work at Wal-Mart, I would think you would be fine with this Harvard Law School graduate talking about education. This man actually graduated from two....TWO Ivy league Universities...Columbia and Harvard....I would think that he qualifies to talk about the importance of education.....He also taught constitutional law....and he is the president of the United States of America.
This is the reason I know race has everything to do with why these folks don't want him to speak...
Reagan did it; Bush did it.....Why would there be a walk out with Obama? Why? Because of his skin color...plain and simple....
You folks really need some serious help.
"delivers a coherent speech"
When?
He "READ" a coherent speech.
AND...once again, a Democrat cannot make a single argument for Obama without bashing Bush.
How sad is that? Your president cannot stand on his own merits. The only positives you can give him are..."he's not Bush".
Wow...you must be so proud of your man.
Shalom...I knew you'd be back. Just can't stay away from the Race excuse huh?
So...have we now established everything we need to know about Obama based on all these comments.
We should all bow down to Obama because (a) he's black and (b) he's not Bush.
Now that is some kinda great platform to stand on. You must be so proud.
"White in East Charlotte"
So what is your obsession with "come over to East Charlotte"
You might think I am clueless but while I am working today I am sitting in a nice country setting while you are wasting your time on here and sitting in that cesspool in East Charlotte. What have your glorious Democrat party done for you other than give you a chip on your shoulder and a house in an area where you constantly have to look over your shoulder?
Need a clue?
Dude...why do you keep bringing up "gay people don't exist"???
You're on here...so you do exist.
Me thinks you kinda sorta have an agenda here...dontcha? Not sure where "being gay" has anything to do with this conversation.
You may wanna find another thread to vent on that issue.
AND...once again, a Democrat cannot make a single argument for Obama without bashing Bush.
Yes I can - and I have. I sent you a link to his website not to bash but to illustrate that the efforts are similar.
I'll ask again - where is the proof that the subject of the speech changed. Did you see it yourself or just hear about it on TV?
I guess we can all agree that education in this country is a REAL problem, right? Whether you are wealthy or poor, white or black, an undereducated person is a drag on society. If Obama can get through to some of these kids and spark their interest in school, the speech is a success. If you don’t think your children can think for themselves and you are threatened by them listening to a speech, by all means keep them out of school, but you are doing a disservice to your children.
Let them watch the speech and then, have a discussion; maybe it becomes a learning experience for you and your children.
By the way the racist comments on both sides of the argument coupled with the Hitler, Castro, socialist, communist rants lend little credence to your opinion.
YES...SAW IT MYSELF. Yes, Yes, Yes.
Listend to Mr. Gibbs press conference. Read the original guide. Read the original White House posting.
Yes, Yes and Yes.
(by the way...you still haven't made a singular argument without mentioning Bush....try again)
All the name calling on this post is so un necessary. Here is an article from CNN that I found interesting about how we tend to discuss issues nowadays.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/03/ruiz.closed.minds/index.html
I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I am an Obama supporter who does not really understand why someone would have an issue with him addressing school children about being successful in school. However, even though we have seen a lot of racist comments and racist signs at some rallys, it is obvious to me that most people who may disagree with Obama's policies or the direction he is taking us are NOT racist. It is good for the country that they voice their concerns when they have them. It's part of the process. I just don't see why both sides have to be so unwilling to listen and so rude.
inthemiddle said...
YES...SAW IT MYSELF. Yes, Yes, Yes.
Listend to Mr. Gibbs press conference. Read the original guide. Read the original White House posting.
Yes, Yes and Yes.
(by the way...you still haven't made a singular argument without mentioning Bush....try again
Me again and - sure I have. That was me with the copy and paste from the website, etc, etc.
OK how about you tell me when you heard Gibbs on this issue and I will go and dig up a transcript.
The problem is not that the president is speaking to them on education, its all about the lesson plans included that are the waste of time for the students. That along with it all being about Obama, notice there is nothing in his lesson plans about what prior presidents, esteemed figures say about education, its all about Obama. And that is what is the problem, its just feeding his massive ego.
I didn't say a word (good or bad) about gays...chill out!
I simply asked why you kept bring "being gay" into this discussion?
Nobody else has brought up "being gay" as being any concern about this issue...except you.
Maybe you are a wee bit sensitive. I challenge you to find anything negative I said about gays. Frankly, I don't care if you are gay, straight, bi, or anything else in between..that's your right.
This is about Education plain, and simple. For those who want to keep their kids from hearing about the president's views or plans on education, What kind of education are you giving your child? Do you want your child to grow up an formulate their own opinions, or do you want to control their every thought and action. What are you afraid of? Are you afraid that they may stray away from your views on Obama?
It's NOT about education! That is the point.
inthemiddle:
you conveniently by-pass everything I said about Obama graduating from Columbia University (Ivy League) and Harvard Law School (President of Law Review), and teaching Constitutional Law....If anything would qualify this man to talk about the importance of getting a good education and staying in school....this is it!
So, this is why I do not take your comments seriously....He will be talking about EDUCATION folks!!!!
ha ha ha you are some piece of work. We are now racists because you live in a crime ridden area? Good one champ (white moms must be sneaking in there and doing this too). Actually my brother lives there with you and I have spent plenty of time over there with him so nice try.
That said I will gladly "rot" out here in the country while you spew out your hate for anyone who has more than you. Noticed you avoided answering what your democratic party has done to help you get someowhere were you are happier.
I have to go rot on some more work but I'll be back to see what racist rant you come up with next
They are taxing the rich fat money-greedy people like you, so I'm just fine with that, as we all look over our shoulders here in East Charlotte! There's your answer!
What resonated with you from Saddam Hussein's speech?
What is Kim Jong-Il inspiring you to do?
Are we able to do what the Fuhrer is asking us to do?
The future belongs to me...
Pure and simple I don't want him talking to the children because he lies. You listen to him and everything sounds beautiful (great speaker) but then when you dig out the truth or see that he blatently lies to slip things by adults I want him no where the kids.
Part of what quuestions the kids are asked to answer are like a focus group because he asks them to write down 3 words he used that they liked in his speech. This way he can review this and know how to continue focusing his sights on these impressionable future voters in language that they will identify with. Our schools and our children are not a testing ground for his continued desire of total control
I would like for some of you to know that there are people who are white, work hard and have plenty of money who support Obama. Many people in this great country can look beyond politics and make informed decision, with that being said, please stop the racist statements. Whether you are conservative or liberal, you are not helping your cause by spewing racist venom.
Anonymous 3:20 said...
Pure and simple I don't want him talking to the children because he lies. You listen to him and everything sounds beautiful (great speaker) but then when you dig out the truth or see that he blatently lies to slip things by adults I want him no where the kids.
Part of what quuestions the kids are asked to answer are like a focus group because he asks them to write down 3 words he used that they liked in his speech. This way he can review this and know how to continue focusing his sights on these impressionable future voters in language that they will identify with. Our schools and our children are not a testing ground for his continued desire of total control
This is crazy talk! He is going to tell your kids to work hard in school. That's it. End of story. Now run to the store and buy the tin foil to make your hat before Glen Beck comes on.
Will he be reading "My Pet Goat"?
Be responsible, and stay in school. Education is important. Please help spread that message.
Believing in this will turn you into a Communist. Please stay in your homes.
Dustin...you are correct. Unfortunately, it's your friends in the Obama ranks that continually bring up race as an issue.
Unfortunately it IS an issue, because Democrats continue to hold onto racism as being integral to EVERY discussion that involves Obama.
I think the majority of America respects the office of President and accepts Obama as president. But, the issue of racism continually is brought into play because we cannot even talk about this issue with someone like "Shalom" claiming that the ONLY reason we don't like Obama (the person) is because he is black.
When folks like "Shalom" stop accusing people of only looking at the color of Obama's skin...then racism will NOT be an issue.
Anonymous 3:20 PM – Do you honestly think Obama is going to get an upload of buzz words that the students discuss in class afterwards? If so, I honestly feel sorry for you. Whatever you think, Obama is not Hitler. This is not 1984, Animal Farm, or any other Orwell book.
The best thing you can do for your kids is instill hate in them at an early age.
you are right...join the Democrats and only tolerate those that agree with you!!
Be like Rush...drop out of school!
I don't see tolerance on either side. America will probably be over before your kids grow up, so it doesn't matter if they stay in school or not. Devided, and destroyed by it's own citizens. Our enemies stand by an watch. Sad, but true.
Goodnight, and good luck.
Dustin it is not what I believe it is what he says the kids will be required to do.
We have self proclaimed radical communists advising Obaba so don't act like it is such a far stretch to think he has other motives
Mass Paranoia.
inthemiddle... I have not agreed with any of your other posts, but I do agree with your last one.
I am African American and voted for Obama (not causal, just a fact) and I get tired of hearing folks say it is 'racism' whenever Obama's policies are criticized. It prevents us from having a real discussion. Now, there is real racism out there and it's usually easy to recognize, but it does not advance the discussion to call everyone 'racist' that does not agree with the President.
There are some aspects to his presidency so far that I don't like and I am certainly no racist.
Hail Obama! Start an organization and call it Obama Youth.
Inthemiddle:
I think it's amazing how you continue to talk about RACE as it pertains to Obama. Get over it man!!!
Talk about what this article is about....Can you do that? It's about about an extremely educated man wanting to talk about the importance of education to young folks....
Will you please leave race card out of this?!?
Soccer moms of Ballantyne: I call on you to take your children out of school that day, and don't let your children get near a tv to watch that black man~! Take them to southpark mall shopping at nordstroms and they'll forget all about this, big, scary Government!!!!
You right wing, sorry republicans. Can't you get over the fact that your piece of trash Bush is no longer in charge. He ruined us all and will pay for it in HELL. Thank "God almighty that we now have President Obama. Stop being mad because now that you have so much money, you are finally getting taxed the way you always should have. Poor people can't pay it, but you surely can. Hope you enjoy writing those checks while you're watching Fox News, by God."
Sorry, I won't be writing any of those checks, but if my taxes do go up several of my employees can take their Obama loving asses to the unemployment line.
"See, the racists have proven what we've been saying with comments like 'cesspool in East Charlotte'. They won't 'stoop' to our level supposedly to leave their republican bubbles long enough to know how other people live. It's all about them, their money, and making new little republicans to 'take over the world'. Well, you country piece of trash, I hope you rot in your republican oasis down there."
Here's an idea for you - Since you hate my Ballantyne, white, successful fanny so much then STOP taking money from me to fix East Charlotte. You live how you want to live on your income and I'll live the way I want to on mine. I'm sick and tired of paying for people to have the things they think they deserve without having to earn them. Follow every initiative of this President and at its core is the redistribution of wealth.
Dear Republicans,
I'm burning in Hell. Wish you were here. You will be soon enough.
Love, Satan
Hey, is this the beginning of the youth re-education camps y'all were talking about? Or is the beginning of indoctrination into the "thug army" Michael Savage was talking about?
FINALLY! an honest discussion.
THAT is my point. We should be able to intelligently discuss these issues, without calling anyone that disagrees with Obama a racist.
I honestly believe his speech to the schools will be NO big deal at all, and I think it will now focus on education only.
However, I also honestly believe his original intention was to be much more political in his speech. Was he being a new-Hitler? NO...I don't think so. I think he is simply getting very bad advice from a horrible cabinet.
I think someone in his cabinet actually thought it was a good idea to pitch health car, enviornmentalism, etc.. in a speech to kids. Bad Idea!
I think he does have good intentions, but I think he has become a "puppet" for special interests...and that is a shame...because he could do so much good.
The First and Second Ammendments were first and second for a reason, they ensure our ability to question our president and the government. Anyone that threatens
these rights better be prepared for what awaits them.
"Sorry, I won't be writing any of those checks, but if my taxes do go up several of my employees can take their Obama loving asses to the unemployment line."
See, more rich white Chrlotte lovers who own businesses and think they still own a plantation. I hope your Rush Limbaugh ass is unemployed. I'd love to be your boss!
Having actually been born in a communist country let me tell you about my life: 1st grade we had to attend numerous kids "spontaneous" rallies where we had to sing patriotic (Communist Party) songs, recite poems about the Great Leader, pledge allegiance to the Great Leader and The Party. Then one day I asked for political asylum and was granted a visa in the land of the free. I will let you all pick up the thread from here. [FYI: the main job description for the enforcers was "party activist". Since everyone's job was dependent on the State (teachers included) no one spoke up - this is why nationalization is VERY important. The Great Leader was always on TV, every day; in every paper...]
"Those that continue to ask questions could be arrested" --Donald Rumsfeld
The Pledge of Allegiance was written by an avowed Socialist. Look it up.
"Here's an idea for you - Since you hate my Ballantyne, white, successful fanny so much then STOP taking money from me to fix East Charlotte. You live how you want to live on your income and I'll live the way I want to on mine. I'm sick and tired of paying for people to have the things they think they deserve without having to earn them. Follow every initiative of this President and at its core is the redistribution of wealth."
Who gives a damn? We are just getting started taxing you rich elitists. You got away with being protected by that war crimiinal Gegorge Bush for years,, and now your're going to have to pay. Maybe then you'll start appreciating anything besides what exists in your little south Charlotte bubbles! You'll be paying plenty, don't you worry. Guess you'll have to cancel your damned country club gold membership.
Just like your beloved Jerry Falwell, most of you republicans will be riding that water slide straight to hell if you keep this hatred up. God have mercy on you all.
hatred? the majority of hatred I have read on this thread comes from YOU.
Did you really just write "fanny"?
Too funny.
From me, you're mistaken my little one. Be careful who you attack. I'm simply stating the truth based on what I have seen here. You are the haters. God will not have mercy on that, just like the Reverend Falwell. Rest assured.
"my little one"...once again, you call people names and can only spew hatred.
If you weren't so pathetic, you'd be funny. The only thing that might get in the way of the Farewell Followers from reaching hell first just might be YOU.
Be careful where you throw stones. You seem to be all about "open-ness" and "fair-ness", just so long as everyone agrees with YOU.
You are a rather simple and shallow person. I feel sorry for you.
"We are just getting started taxing you rich elitists"
The enemy has shown himself people. Read that guy in East Charlottes comments real slowly.
He blames everyone else for his own failure because he cannot accept that he is responsible for his own past actions.
To him you are the enemy and for years they have been lowering everyone quietly to the lowest common denominator "to just be fair".
This guy just showed the REAL passion behind this type of agenda.
Misery loves company and no matter how hard you worked you need to live in his own self created hell.
I really pity you man
inthemiddle:
It nows makes so much sense.....You have little to nothing to say about the president wanting to talk about EDUCATION......and he is indeed qualified to do that....
Now you just wanting to fight with folks on this post.....just fighting away.....that's you.
Nothing intelligent to say; nothing that makes sense, right, bud?
All it appears that you wanna to do is fight someone....
Stop it man, and speak with some insight, if you can, on how Obama is indeed fit to talk to the young folks about the importance of studying hard and staying in school.
You don't even realize just how much impact this man will have on the young minds of America and the world...
What are you doing to help shape young minds. Your disdain speech against your and our president is not helping...bud.
I am appalled at some of the things being said here. It took me forever just to get to the last post! Republicans and Democrats have said some pretty terrible things here. What does it say for us as Americans if we can't at least respect each other, even when we strongly disagree?
"Who gives a damn? We are just getting started taxing you rich elitists. You got away with being protected by that war crimiinal Gegorge Bush for years,, and now your're going to have to pay. Maybe then you'll start appreciating anything besides what exists in your little south Charlotte bubbles! You'll be paying plenty, don't you worry. Guess you'll have to cancel your damned country club gold membership."
You'd better start being nice to me. If I decide to quit working just where will you get your next meal?
Shalom
I'm not your "bud"...nor do I want to be. You seem to be an intolerant racist by my accounts.
I have tried over and over again to discuss the issue at hand...and not until NOW have you said anything bordering on intelligent.
If you took the time to actually read (and listen) to what others are saying, you'd see that I said I have respect for the President...and his ability to inspire others.
My issue is his use of the schools to preach his own brand of policies and politics. That is wrong...regardless of party affiliation.
You were the instigator of the entire racial discussion. Go back and take a look...YOU were the very first person to call racisgt anyone that disagreed with Obama.
YOU started the dicussion down this pass.
YOU were the most vocal about RACE...not me, not all the other "anoymous's"....YOU!
You have already shown your true colors. It truly is a shame you can't look past the color of Mr. Obama's skin to have a serious discussion about the issue.
You can go to town hall meetings, raise hell with a walker and throw your veterans hat at people, march, rally, protest, picket, and whatever else you feel like does some good.........but remember in the end, there is NOTHING you can do about it. It's going to happen, and there is nothing you can do. Plain and simple. It has, and always will be that way. If you don't like your government, then maybe it is you who should be looking for a plane ticket somewhere else, ladies and gentlemen.
Shalom,
I am sorry...but I just can't let that last comment of yours go by.
The fact that you utter the words "FREE SPEECH" is laughable. In every instance on this thread, you have called anyone that disagrees with you and the President to be a racist.
So..exactly what kinda "Free Speech" are you talking about?
You must mean the Liberal Definition of Free Speech....anything that falls in line with your own views.
You really embaress yourself.
"Anonymous said...
Dear Republicans,
I'm burning in Hell. Wish you were here. You will be soon enough.
Love, Satan"
Satan, I think I have to agree with you there. I always knew you were on these message boards, but just using a different name! Were you also the last President too?
Hitler's youth......
"Concerned parents should keep their children out of school that day. I certainly would."
I can actually understand this fear of brainwashing, president-worship, etc. That's not what's happening, but I can understand where that fear comes from.
The difference here is that this is one 15-20 minute speech, and every child has the freedom to disagree with what the President is saying, and the freedom to talk about that. CMS is providing an opt-out if parents are opposed to their kids listening to the speech. That wouldn't happen in a Communist country, it couldn't happen.
Many fears are being seriously overblown, and while I think it's kinda silly to be in fear of our President, you have that freedom to live in fear if you choose. I homeschool with my kids, but personally, if I shared those fears (I don't!) I would encourage them to see it, so we could talk knowingly about it. I would explain where our value differed, if they did at all.
I wish the energy that was spent on spreading the fear-mongering and false rumors was spent on bettering our country.
inthemiddle:
your comments to me are Erractic.....What is going on with you?
First: Obama is not using the schools to promote his policies outside of Education....Got that?
He will be talking about staying in school and studying....What does that have to do with Cap and Trade? Oh, you probably don't understand Cap and Trade...
Futhermore, you must have me confused with someone else....I did not mention anything about "Free Speech."
Your comments are erractic, bud...
Anonymous 4:11 and the second 4:13pretty much sum up the beliefs of a majority of this nation. HOpe and cahnge...hope and change...(Be afraid, be very afraid.)
Oh Lord, another corrupted Charlotte cop or fireman. Remember, "suspension without pay". Just keep saying that over and over. Good luck!
Like Nick Mackey?
Who the hell is Nick Macky?
Funny, CMS blocked the website for me to access the questions suggested by the Dept. of Education. Must be the same bunch of idiots that mandated every child left behind. I'll show it on my school computer and project it on the board. Too bad (lol) that there are no external speakers on the projection cart. You know, the teacher computer in the room with 42 students. Run for your lives!
"shalom said...
The influence that Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh is having will back fire. I do hope that there's only a small segment of this population who just cannot stand to see a black president in office. These children will one day grow up and perhaps regret the fact that they did not witness an historic moment....Why? because of weak minded folks who are followers and not leaders......How can someone in their right mind follow Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and the filth on Fox News?"
Can't stand a black president LMOA, you sheeple will grasp at any straw you can wont you. Black, who gives a crap about his color, the guy is so unqualified to lead anything but a bunch of clowns ya gotta laugh. Heck, of all the more qualified black candidates out there the dems picked this guy who thinks America has 57 states and his partner Biden thinks JOBS is a 3 letter word. Yea, the left got suckered into this clown and its only starting to become oh so obvious how over his head he is.
As far as filth goes, I guess maybe those on the right are finally learning from your side, like Code Pink calling Marines murderers and assasins or Obamas green guy calling republicans a**holes or Olberman and his oh so tasteful comments. Yea, we learned alright, we learned from the best of the best when it comes to verbal diahrea, the left.
Mr inthemiddle,
Maybe this discourse would have been a bit more civil had you not started out by calling the President of the United States "The Messiah", brought up Hitler and Stalin, called people who support the President "sheep" and refuse to offer any proof that the upcoming speech has ever been about anything than providing a positive message about education. It's beyond me how so many people can rain such hate a man who came from a broken home, graduated from Harvard Law, worked to better his community and has a lovely family-like many of us. There is no evil empire here. Stop with the paranoia.
Heck why not.. As long as the next Repub Pres, that is 3.5 years from now for you Nick Mackey voters is allowed to have this same oppurtunity, you know to praise the military and preach about the virtures of oil independence instead of dependency? Sure, never a double standard with the "progressives."
dharmamamma...you are 100% right. No argument here at all.
where this thing got off track, is the fact that anyone who questions Obama is labeled as Wrong, Stupid, Racist, Trash, Rich, White or Scum.
We should be able to have concerns about the President...we can support the Office, but not the person. Isn't that what Democrats did for 8 years?
Shalom and others on here seem to want to view this as White/Elite/Scum vs. the chosen ones.
The actual discussion is WHAT any president should and should not talk about to a captive audience of children.
The issue is the fact that children (let me repeat...CHILDREN) are basically being held captive to listen to a politician. And, if that speech is political...then that is wrong.
There is NO other person on the face of the planet that has the ability to force this many children to listen to them...and with that comes concerns....rightfully so.
That is all this issue should be about. Unfortunately, because I choose to voice a concern over the content of the message, some folks choose to label me....White, Racist, Rich, Elitist, Trash. Yet...they have no idea what color my skin is, how educated I am, where I work, or where I live.
I think this entire thread of comments is pretty darn scary.
Glad that teachers with their own political persuasions will now be able to figure out what party their (students) family supports so they can either help or punish students depending on that information.
This does NOT need to be brought into our schools regardless of who you do or do not support.
Thank GOD for the Second Amendment.
Thank God for President Obama. George Bush has a special place in the pits of Hell.
I find all the postings around telling the parents that taking their kids out of school is wrong.
Was it wrong for Rosa Parks not to give up her seat on the Bus.
Was it wrong for people to march for civil rights.
Was it wrong for people to boycott businesses that were no segregated
We all know the answers to those questions.
Social Disobiedance is the only tool that works. Its the only tool they listen to.
I say keep them out. All the teachers out there that disagree with it stay home.
Next time they hold a school bond vote no.
I support keeping your kids home
Sure and why we are at it, can we have his new green czar along side of this genius President. The same czar that thinks the Bush Admin planned and executed 9/11? You see, Mr Yes We Can is all about bringing this country together. IT's too bad he is turning out to be a empty closet, narracistic neophyte.
Mr. Anonymous
Those are your views of Mr. Obama...not mine. I do not know that any of those things about him. I would like to think he is well educated...but just because a person goes to Harvard doesn't mean their smart. As for bettering his community...that's very debatable...he bettered his OWN community of like-minded people ONLY.
As for my comments...everyone of them was a legitimate argument or response to something you said. Referfences to Hitler and Stalin are totally accepatble...because they are the only reference we have regarding a standing leader adressing a captive audience of school children.
And..."sheep"....well, that is exactly what you call people who blindly follow a leader. I have yet to hear a single argument about something Mr. Obama has done as a leader...yet you are still blinhdly loyal to this man.
Again..I'll support the office, but not the man (until he proves that he is a leader).
we have a winner...the most unintelligent comment so far!
OK Anonymous 4:33 - YOU are a bigot. and this is coming from the whitest white chick you will ever meet. So black people have no business in politics-huh? I bet you don't want them in your schools or lunch counters either. Wake up dude! It's 2009 and time has passed you by. Stop hating!
TO inthemiddle:
If you have pulled your children from CMS, then your opinions in this matter is irrelevant.
let the people who have a stake in this matter have a say. Have a good day.
How sad it is that a president has been elected in which parents are concerned with what he plans on talking to them about.
The entire administration
has proved to be nothing but spilled molasses on tapestry of America and all it stands for. Nothing but a sticky mess with some unwanted longevity in the clean up procedure.
Obviously and with due reason more and more people have determined this administration is one not to be trusted.
I absolutely have a right to have an opinion...or has Obama and the Dems made that illegal too?
This is MY community too....and the kids in CMS are the kids that have the potential to work in my community or rob my community. I'd like to believe I am allowed to have a say in that matter.
I'm fortunate to be able to take my kids away from the mess that is CMS and it's liberal views on education. But, not everyone is that fortunate....they don't have a choice.
And...lest you forget....even though my kids are not in CMS, I PAY for those schools, those teachers, those buildings and those supplies....so, I have every right to voice a concern.
inthemiddle said...
Mr. Anonymous
Those are your views of Mr. Obama...not mine. I do not know that any of those things about him. I would like to think he is well educated...but just because a person goes to Harvard doesn't mean their smart.
You're kidding right? He didn't just go to Harvard-he was editor of the Harvard Law Review. And isn't it the view of most conservatives that we should work to improve our own communities rather that wait for the government to take care of us.
And one more thing - I researched both candidates very carefully before I decided to support the President Obama. And believe me there are things I wish he would do differently. You are quick to assume that no one who is intelligent or thoughtful would have made the choice I did. Shame on you.
And by the way - its Miss not Mr.
Ms. Anonymous
Then tell me...5 reasons you voted for Obama...and you can't say...
1. A change from the previous administration
2. He's black or represents a non-white Candidate.
Just 5 legitimate reasons....even if I disagree with you on those reasons....I'd still love to hear from someone that actually voted for his policies...and NOT for the above two reasons.
Please...make me eat crow on this one. I would love to have a reason to believe in this man...honestly, I would. But, so far, he has shown me that he is untrustworthy, and only out for his own popularity.
Please...give me a reason to believe in this man.
Inthe middle:
You need a life and check your blood pressure before you blow a pipe.
Anonymous said...
Don't hate anonymous 4:36 - I have many black friends and have no issue with people due to their color. My concern is the 1 or 2 black trolls on here with all the "Ballantyne trash", anti-white, any attack on Obama is racist, etc BS.
THAT IS MY PROBLEM LADY!
I suggest you re-read what you wrote:
I'm ready for his term (either 1 or 2) to be over and many of the blacks that are new to politics can go back to their life and quit piping in on things that don't understand!
They don't understand-that's the big assumption. So only us white people can figure out how to vote right?
Now I can understand you getting mad because lots of comments on both sides have been hateful. But have one of your black friends read what you wrote and see what they think.
I have yet to hear a single argument about something Mr. Obama has done as a leader...
1. Apologized to the whole world for our misdeeds, like saving starving children, fighting AIDS, fighting militants who kill their own people.
2. Sold out the car companies to the unions.
3. Put every single person in this country, even the un-born, in debt for the rest of their lives to the tune of $100,000.00++
4. Gave 95% of every "working" person a "tax break", that unless the IRS and Congress change the current tax laws before the end of the year, you will have to pay part of it back, because it is taxable income.
5. Gave all the idiots who bought new cars $3500-$4500 that is also taxable income due at years end. Nothing is free when it comes from the government.
6. Improved his golf game. I think his tee time was 9:00 am today.
Want more?
If you don't want your child to see the speech, the schools will offer an alternate activity. How do I know this? My ConnectEd calls from both of my children's schools told me so last night.
Children receive most of their political "indoctrination" from their parents. An hour or so with Obama shouldn't undermine the rabid conservatism I see here.
Too funny...."you need a life".
That's the best argument you have?
Once again....I ask for an intelligent response and this is what I get.
inthemiddle:
Your concern for CMS students and the community is insincere at best.
You come across as a phony with simple intent of advancing your narrow neo-con ideas.
Good luck
As one of the "brainwashed blacks" who not only voted for PRESIDENT Obama, I also campaigned for him. And I'm so very proud of doing so.
This "brainwashed black" knows that 1. he stands for what I believe in, 2. he's working more than being on vacation, 3. he's smart enough to analyze an issue before making a decision on it, 4. he imparts Christian principles through deed, not just words, and 5. the true nature of people, that base humanness of who they are is shown when they show hate to someone who disagrees with them.
I find you all very immature. Extremely intolerant. And ultimately ignorant. I'm currently asking myself why I'm moving back to Charlotte. LOL God Bless your souls...you need it.
WOW..so now you can read minds too! As usual, a liberal resorts to name calling when they have absolutely NO argument.
Don't you get tired of calling people names simply because you don't agree with them.
My concerns are not insincere at all. If CMS raises a bunch of uneducated thugs, where will any of us draw future workers from. If CMS breeds kids with no sense of morals, our crime rates will raise.
And, if our government teaches CMS students that they need only rely on the government for all of their needs, my children will inheret a massive debt and a society that is torn apart from the inside.
So..please don't assume you know me. You don't.
inthemiddle:
You talk about Stalin and Hitler in the same breath and you want an intelligent conversation.
You are overestimating your own intelligence. Just because you have watched enough Fox news does not make you an astute historian.
First of all, there's too many "Anonymous" on this post anyway.
What are you "Anonymous" fellows so afraid of? Hiding behind cyberspace.....Ha!!!
inthemiddle:
You talk about Stalin and Hitler in the same breath and you want an intelligent conversation.
You are overestimating your own intelligence. Just because you have watched enough Fox news does not make you an astute historian.
Okay..so these are the five reasons I got for supporting Obama:
"1. he stands for what I believe in, 2. he's working more than being on vacation, 3. he's smart enough to analyze an issue before making a decision on it, 4. he imparts Christian principles through deed, not just words, and 5. the true nature of people"
Well..that just about clears everything up. Nothing unclear there?
The ignorance is beyond comical in some of these posts. Regardless of who the President is, he OR she serves as a symbol for our nation. Why would people allow their own political ignorance Rep or Dem stand in the way of giving their child a chance to engage in a dialogue or should I say an open exchange of ideas (something Democracy is based upon) about the role education play's in ones life. SO MANY IDIOTS are so quick to pass judgement thinking all things are about political agendas..... YOU POLUTE YOUR CHILDRENS MINDS AND INTRODUCE PREJUDICES AND MISCONCEPTIONS ...It is a leanred behavior that sets them up for failure in the future. PISS OFF
once again...an astute generalization and more name calling...."fox news"...huh?
Wow...you liberals are really good at this debating thing....just throw out some stereotypes, a few generalizations and some name calling.
And to think...I didn't think Obama supporters could put together a coherent argument. Sorry...I was wrong.
Dear inthemidde:
How would you like your crow prepared? Hope you are hungry!
What are you "Anonymous" fellows so afraid of?
Maybe they can't pronounce their names, therefor, they can't spell it?
"Too Bad Ignorance Isn't Painful"
This is a very simple matter. Should politics be allowed in school or not? if the answer is no, then there is no place for ANY President to speak directly to school kids without parents being given advanced copy of what the speech will entail. The fact that the White House ADMITTED TODAY that staffers worked with the US Dept of Education to formulate the follow up material makes this a political speech. If it was not political why were paid political staffers and appointees involved in the discussion materials put out by the so called "Professional" educators at the US DOE??
There is no personal animus involved, simply a desire to keep indoctrination and politics out of our PUBLIC schools-- the same way religion is kept out.
Ms. Anonymous
Then tell me...5 reasons you voted for Obama...and you can't say...
Awesome! OK here goes.
1) Barack Obama was against the war in Iraq. He (rightly in my opinion) felt that we should have concentrated our efforts in eliminating Al Queda from Afghanistan.
2) I agree with Barack Obama's health care initiatives as he outlined during his campaign. I did not believe the Mr. McCain's idea of a tax credit would enable people to buy adequate healh insurance.
3) I liked Mr. Obama's stance on education, especially when he called out parents-telling them to turn off the TV and read to their kids. I agree with him that excellent teachers should be compensated as such.
4) I believe that "don't ask don't tell" is forcing many good military mean and women out. Barack Obama promised to change that law. (moving slowly on that one though!)
5) I love Mr. Obama's focus on green energy and agree with him that investment in that area can make help restore our economy.
6) I felt his performance in the debates was strong - no need for a telepromter there.
7) I know you don't want to hear this, but I did want a change in the way we interact with the rest of the world. I liked that Mr. Obama would not be a cowboy and that he would work with other countries respectfully.
I hope that is enough to convince you that I am not sheep! But I can't make you believe if you are philosophically(sic) opposed to what he stands for. I tend to be center left and the President's ideas lined up best with mine.
If parents choose to opt out, that is their business. If you believe in civil liberties, that should not offend you. Some, however, seem to believe that we all should swear blind allegiance to the commander in chief. That has never been the case, as we have freedom to dissent, that is a characteristic of a free society.
I will say that some are severely underestimating the will of the American people to protect Liberty and those sworn to defend the Constitution.
Dear Ms Anonymous,
Thank you for spelling out the reasons you voted for this President. I respect that you have totally different opinions on crucial issues ans I am o.k. with agreeing to disagree. My largest concern with this President is that he has surrounded himself with people who genuinely think America is fundamentally broken and is the source of all ills. I do not share this philosophy and i believe America is the most positive force for good in the history of the world. Can we better; of course. But like our health care system I do not believe we need to scrap the entire thing because things about it are not working optimally. To me that is the equivalent of throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Finally, can you name one thing the government has taken over and done a better job running than before it was taken over? I thought about it and I literally cannot think of one thing the government runs more efficiently or fairly or better than does private industry.
Actually, our pro-abortion President threw the baby out before the bath because they needed the water to make Kool-Ade.
John from Ft MIll said...
Dear Ms Anonymous,
Finally, can you name one thing the government has taken over and done a better job running than before it was taken over?
Just a couple of thoughts - the US military, VA, Medicare, Social Security. - Of course all us liberals like those!
And the public option would be just that - an option. I like that fact that if my employer can't go on paying the crazy high premiums to UHC-we won't just get dropped with not insurance. When a private sector industry gets rich when they deny care there has to be an option. Just my thoughts.
Just a couple of thoughts - the US military, VA, Medicare, Social Security. - Of course all us liberals like those!
They didn't take them over, THEY CREATED THEM!
This has been alot of fun, but I have to go now...Glenn Beck is on!!
Good day.
John said...
Actually, our pro-abortion President threw the baby out before the bath because they needed the water to make Kool-Ade.
Hey John - get your facts straight. President Obama stated in his speech at Notre Dame that he is anti-abortion and would like to work to reduce the number of abortions. He is however, pro-choice.
is is the way the Nazis and the Communist attained their totalitarian grip on their own people. Anyone who says different is a liar.
"Just a couple of thoughts - the US military, VA, Medicare, Social Security. - Of course all us liberals like those!"
That's some quality health care being doled out by the VA, huh? Medicare is broke, SS will be soon. The military is the best in the world, but I wouldn't exactly call our procurement process the most efficient. While many states and cities see the advantages of privatization our Prez wants to grow the gubment exponentially...
Obama stands for what he believes in? What exactly would that be? Please, enlighten me 4:54pm poster that campaigned for him. I don't even think Miss Cleo and the psychic hotline can figure this guy out. He changes his mind every five minutes.
President Obama stated in his speech at Notre Dame that he is anti-abortion and would like to work to reduce the number of abortions. He is however, pro-choice.
Check out his voting record when he was in the Illinois Senate.
Besides, what would YOU say if you were standing in front of a bunch of Catholics?
"Besides, what would YOU say if you were standing in front of a bunch of Catholics?"
Where do you keep the little boys?
Where do you keep the little boys?
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Good one.
TWO THINGS; VERY SIMPLE; if Obama wants to address the children, why not do it in the eveing when they can watch it with their parents? Why use up valuable learning time(for the older grades)? It easily could of been planned this way, but they choose to do it when kids are not with their parents. 2nd; if nobody makes a stink about it, he will do it again and again, until we are used to it!
Wow....Reading all of these comments about not allowing children to go to school just because the President will deliver a message on education is so tragic and really pathetic. I have seen many Presidents in office that I did not vote for but would never pull my children out of school because of a message about of all things "EDUCATION"!
In The Middle- Thank you! Your comments are intelligent and relevant.
The guides have, as you said, been rewritten already. I'm betting that the speech is currently being rewritten as well.
This morning I called my state representatives, the White House, and the school superintendant to raise my concerns. Isn't it interesting that I got the information that this presidential address was taking place, not from a White House press release, or from my child's school, but from Drudge Report?
When Bush asked all American children to send a dollar to Afghan children, it was all over the news, and considered to be a positive thing. Why were we not officially notified that President Obama wanted to do this? Shouldn't it have been all over GMA- "Look at the good thing Obama is doing by connecting directly with America's youth" or something similar? The fact that we have still not been officially informed is CREEPY and raises red flags.
And how facinating it is that many people are calling those of us who have expressed our concern about this "racists, hatemongers, and rich" among other things. I'm not rich, by the way, but since when is it a bad thing to have money. Obama has money, for heaven's sake.
And yeah, how come if I don't like our president's policies, I'm a racist? What on earth? I can't stand my mother-in-law. Does that mean I hate diabetic people who live at the beach?
Thank you for your coherent, logical comments and for keeping your cool when insulted by people who rely on hostile rhetoric because they have no better arguments to fall back on.
Here is a link to an earlier copy of the guide before some of the revisions. Not sure if it the original before any changes were made, but it is not the current one.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/10582301/President-Obama%EF%BF%BDs-Address-to-Students-Across-America-September-8-2009
Final word.
Mr. Obama, "Hands off my kids".
Sound familiar?
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