Tuesday, June 2, 2009

Where should low-cost housing go?

One Sedgefield neighborhood project, a mixed-income development that would replace existing housing, needs a waiver from the council because the homeownership rate among nearby properties is slightly lower than city policy allows.

Some district council members have complained that the city piles on subsidized housing in neighborhoods that are already struggling to improve and bring up their property values. A city policy is meant to avoid such concentration.

But council member Patsy Kinsey, the Sedgefield area's representative, said she didn't have a problem with the project.

Charlotte's Housing Trust Fund has recommended spending a total of $9.3 million in city money on a number of housing projects that would serve the homeless, elderly and victims of domestic abuse.

The trust fund awards money annually to nonprofit organizations and private developers to offset the cost of building affordable housing. City staff presented the recommendations to the City Council on Monday, and the council is scheduled to vote on two projects as early as June 8, and the rest on June 22.

The trust fund board has approved nine projects that include a total of 944 housing units.

Click here to see information about each project. (Scroll to the bottom, page 39, to see a map).

- Julia Oliver

47 comments:

Anonymous said...

keep it in east charlotte

Anonymous said...

How about taking out one of the courses at Ballantyne and using it for low income housing? That should be a bee in everyone's bonnet there :-) and the low income housing would even have golf views!!

Anonymous said...

East Charlotte cannot support any more low cost housing. Additional low cost housing should be distributed across Charlotte based on the percentage of existing low cost housing and Section 8 properties. East Charlotte is over saturated with low cost housing.

Anonymous said...

Why does low income housing have to be put in nice areas of town? Why can't you put all of the low income housing near the airport or on less desirable land? It doesn't make a lot of sense for some families to pay 300-700K for neighborhoods near the city and then one block over have low income family housing.

Anonymous said...

It is just a fact of life that any 'low income housing' project is going to devalue already suffering property values if built near neighbor hoods that are a little better off. Very unfair to those folks.

Crime statistics, what ever the numbers are come into play as well.

"complained that the city piles on subsidized housing in neighborhoods that are already struggling to improve and bring up their property values."

bet not one of these council members would ever put one of these next to their own neighborhood and for very good reason..

Keep it east.

Anonymous said...

Put it on the trolley line. There's plenty of space avail. Take a ride down South Blvd and it's nothing but empty space and ruin down buildings.

Anonymous said...

Sedgefield? Since when is Sedgefield upscale? Isnt that those blue collar working class stiffs off S Blvd? Lets please leave south suburban alone. Those green eyes are showing.

Anonymous said...

"Why does low income housing have to be put in nice areas of town? Why can't you put all of the low income housing near the airport or on less desirable land? It doesn't make a lot of sense for some families to pay 300-700K for neighborhoods near the city and then one block over have low income family housing."
itI can't believe this scum bag. Do you want to know why you can't put all of the low income housing in less-desirable land? Because the rest of society shouldn't have to bear the burden of the problems of our entire society. It doesn't matter how rich or how much someone pays for their home. They have no more right to see their property appreciate more than someone who paid $100k. They have no more expectation to have lower crime or better public schools. The bottom line is if there is subsidized housing it should be equally distributed geographically. Why should any community have to bear an inequiatable burden? Meanwhile the rihest areas that have the most reources do nothing, while arleready struggling areas get an anchor dropped through the floor of the boat. Shame on you

Anonymous said...

To the person who said "Keep it east charlotte" about subsidized housing

I am sure your next home will be a lot further south than south Charlotte -and a lot warmer. I will pray for your soul

Anonymous said...

Pasy Kinsey is supporting the very glut of subsidized housing her district is already plagued with. She knows very well the damage this will do to her district. The voters *rage* about it at meetings I attend with her. Most of the people in her district say their home is their only major asset. Her district has one of the highest aging populations in charlotte. Their home equity is their bread & butter. She has turned her back on her district. Even though the Sutowski guy is new and hasn't been involved in the community yet, I am going to meet with him ASAP. He defintely deserves my attention after this garbage

Anonymous said...

Section 8 housing hurts more than it helps. Why would I buy a place for a price a lot more than the person next to me? Its not a race issue, but an issue where I want to live in an area where I have neighbors with my same social activities. Its not a race issue, but a social issue. Why do you buy in neighborhoods now? You look at an area that has places and people for you to meet and hangout with. Look at ANY place with Section 8 and see what it looks like now. Its good at first, but all down hill afterwards.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
To the person who said "Keep it east charlotte" about subsidized housing

I am sure your next home will be a lot further south than south Charlotte -and a lot warmer. I will pray for your soul

June 2, 2009 2:38 PM



Your right, Charleston acctually, new job can't wait.

Anonymous said...

God help you, you racist, classist bigots.

Anonymous said...

http://www.eastsidepac.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=67

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
God help you, you racist, classist bigots.

June 2, 2009 3:18 PM

Who brought race into it. Last time i checked people of all colors are poor. Someone always wants to play the race card. May the dali bama help you

H. Himmler said...

Lets build a wall around the Undesirables, top it off with barbed wire. The Fuhrer will be pleased.

Anonymous said...

Mexico.

Anonymous said...

"East Charlotte is over saturated with low cost housing." - Very true and it is not fair. Time to start putting these developments elsewhere and share the burden.

Anonymous said...

3:18 - there are more poor whites than poor blacks. But facts aren't your strong suit, Mr. latte-sipping, birkenstock-wearing, fag-smoking, pursed-sphinctered elitist, are they?

Anonymous said...

As far south as we can put them.

Anonymous said...

Right or wrong, the reality is that people who can afford to live anywhere they choose WILL leave if a Section 8 housing is installed near their neighborhood. If Section 8 housing is spread out all over the city, then people will move out of the city. What do you think will happen to the Charlotte economy when everyone who has money leaves?

Anonymous said...

Why build more low income houseing, why not go into neighborhoods and buy up some of the foreclosed houses. Especially some of these neighborhoods that have 50% or more vacant hmoes that have been abandoned You'll get a bunch of inventory off the market

Anonymous said...

I would love to live in Sedgefield or close to Dilworth, too. But I can't afford it and make to much to qualify for section 8. Why do they get the benefits of subsidized housing so close to prime real estate? There's really something wrong when people who make bad choices get perks.

Anonymous said...

"God help you, you racist, classist bigots."

Theres a ole sayin that the smeller is always the feller. So shaddup you hypocrite bigoted racist vermin.

Anonymous said...

So if i get fired and stop [aying my bills i can move to dilworth. sweet.

Anonymous said...

The most prudent and financially sound basis to select housing areas, is where the cheapest land is located. Cheaper land, means more houses can be built. That being said, we have a lot of vacant lower middle income homes around Charlotte that can be acquired at fire sale prices.

Anonymous said...

How about Museum Drive or Queens Road West? Or better yet, how about NOT AT ALL?

Anonymous said...

I know it may be shocking, but not all section 8 tenants live in low income areas. Section 8 isn't based on area, but affordability of rent. If a homeowner in Ballentyne decides to rent their four bedroom for $1100/month, they can use the section 8 program. Any renter can be a possible Section 8 user. You never know.

Anonymous said...

How about buying them one-way bus tickets out of town? If they can't find jobs here, maybe they'll have better luck somewhere else. On that same note, how come illegal immigrants have no problem putting a dozen people in an apartment, while making minimum wage, but our homegrown losers have to be provided with subsidized housing? If you're not disabled, get off your tails and work...two jobs if you have to...and stop having so many %$&#! kids!

Anonymous said...

Why not downtown. There's surely enough empty existing housing there!

Anonymous said...

Eastland Mall

Anonymous said...

Make d--- sure the THIEVES deciding this issue and every aspect of our lives start with their OWN NEIGHBORHOODS!
THE FIRST: MAYOR, CITY AND COUNTY MANAGERS EVERY SORRY THIEVING MEMBER OF THE COMMISIONERS AND COUNCIL, EGOMANIAC PETE GORMAN, PLUS EVERY BLEEDING HEART LIBERAL WHO LOVE TO RAISE TAXES BECAUSE THEY DON'T PAY THEM AND THINK THEY KNOW BEST ON HOW TO RUN OUR DAILY LIVES AND SPEND OUR MONEY WE EARN BECAUSE THEY KNOW BEST HOW TO SPEND IT. OTHERWISE WE MAY HAVE ANOTHER CIVIL WAR FOR ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!CAREFUL BUREAUCRATS WE ARE MAD AS HELL AND NOT TAKING IT ANYMORE!

Anonymous said...

Surry County, Charlotte has crime up to her ears already.

Anonymous said...

France?

Anonymous said...

Crawford Ranch, Texas?

Anonymous said...

The homeless shelter,followed by a bus ride to a job fair and than anywhere you can afford with your own money! Tough loves sucks, but.......

The Golden Goose is on it's last leg.......................

Anonymous said...

I am tired of providing low cost housing to women so they can continue to have kids with whoever generation after generation. Just like rabbits. They they play the sob story and get multitude of other benefits. This has to stop. They should not get housing period. Life can be tough sometimes. But they don't seem to help.

Th0mas said...

When poor people lived in the ghetto the police knew where they were & crime was limited. Now the traditional ghettos have been changed to mixed income condos. The people who lived there have been hidden away in section 8 housing around town causing crime to spread all over town. Section 8 has destroyed the east side!

vann said...

The local MLS shows three home sales in Sedgefield in 2009. The prices were $260,000, $293,000 and $569,900. Sounds fairly upscale to me.

Anonymous said...

I live in that area....and FYI, the proposed low-income housing will supposedly replace some CURRENT Section 8 housing on Marsh Road that will be torn down.
Upscale? Not Myers Park, but plenty of teardowns-new builds and
$400K-plus homes, including the Selwyn Farms subdivision.
Gripes here have been about adding too much density, as they'll increase the number of units.

Anonymous said...

The Dilworth, Southend, Sedgefield area can not tolerate anymore multi or low income housing. This is obsurb and Patsy Kinsey's comment distubs me.

The only way this would be possible if it replaces the exisitng Marsh properties on Poindexter and Elmhurst. Behind the Home Economist.

Anonymous said...

Put them on the tops of Walmarts.

Anonymous said...

"I know it may be shocking, but not all section 8 tenants live in low income areas. Section 8 isn't based on area, but affordability of rent. If a homeowner in Ballentyne decides to rent their four bedroom for $1100/month, they can use the section 8 program. Any renter can be a possible Section 8 user. You never know."
I know it may be shocking but since section 8 is based on income and affordability, most of it is concentrated in a handful of NSAs in east & west Charlotte. It was a well intentioned program. It isn't working and people like Patsy Kinsey & Nancy Carter who refuse to reform it and encourage more glut in their own districts are just crazy

Anonymous said...

Right or wrong, the reality is that people who can afford to live anywhere they choose WILL leave if a Section 8 housing is installed near their neighborhood. If Section 8 housing is spread out all over the city, then people will move out of the city. What do you think will happen to the Charlotte economy when everyone who has money leaves?
- Then good the mass exodus will be the whole city and they wont be picking on east & west Charlotte anymore... But seriously My belief is if you have x number of vouchers and you spread them out equitablly geographically then the effects wont be severe as they are in areas where it is CONCENTRATED

Anonymous said...

"Section 8 has destroyed the east side!"

sssh don't say it too loud Nancy Carter might finally believe all the voters & actually do something about the problem. She insists we need more affordable housing and that it's racist to regulate section 8 with a maximum cap ***based on geography***.

Anonymous said...

The social experimentation rub off effect never works. Birds of feather hanging together always wins.Cut the meddling. You must allow the natural evolvement process to occur.

Build sec 8 low cost housing where it belongs only in low rent districts and beef up the cops although we will ultimately see Dilworth and other Euro hoods like Myers Park etc go with the dinosaur as the outer burbs continue their growth. Its the big city syndrone.

Anonymous said...

Get a job and pay your bills= the right to own a home.

Wear a condom= we aren't paying for the MAJORITY of section 8 kids whos parents are irresponsible and cant teach them anything but how to grow up and perpetuate the cycle.

Either get with the program, or live elsewhere. I am SO tired of my tax dollars paying for these crackheads to continue deficating in our faces. FOR THE MOST PART (which means not ALL) they are content just having three squares and cot.

Force them to work and pay their own way, or force them OUT!