tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1819850637666173640.post1518653849458391101..comments2024-01-03T19:50:33.344-05:00Comments on Paper Trail: Hattabaugh: Change teacher pay scaleUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1819850637666173640.post-16472435055478533352012-03-08T12:10:14.287-05:002012-03-08T12:10:14.287-05:00Agreed - change the pay scale to lower the $84,000...Agreed - change the pay scale to lower the $84,000./yr paid for phys ed and give it to science, language, math, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1819850637666173640.post-84328552697124110732012-03-07T18:06:17.293-05:002012-03-07T18:06:17.293-05:00On getting info to state legislators: Click the li...On getting info to state legislators: Click the link in the intro to this post and you'll be on the page for the committee Hattabaugh spoke to. From there it's pretty easy to get contact info for committee memebers and chairs, as well as local legislators.Ann Doss Helmshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03511764376105157616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1819850637666173640.post-70681032432662291612012-03-07T17:04:15.923-05:002012-03-07T17:04:15.923-05:00Check the numbers - where is the overwhelming succ...Check the numbers - where is the overwhelming success? The strategic staffing principal at Ranson left and was promoted to a high school principalship. Did Ranson's scores improve? Many are afraid the "improvements" at the LIFT schools and strategic schools will be at the expense of the other schools. Teachers who are displaced will be placed!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1819850637666173640.post-52216073446013357482012-03-07T16:46:01.023-05:002012-03-07T16:46:01.023-05:00One of the things that CMS does not do a very good...One of the things that CMS does not do a very good job of is when programs are not working, they won't get honest about them. Strategic Staffing is not an overwhelming success. Most of the administrators placed in strategically staffed principal-ships are no longer in their positions. Most of the teachers that went with these principals are either gone or want out of the schools they were place in. The data is clear that it is not working yet the powers to be won't admit their folly. <br /><br />Same holds true with many of the other Gorman inspired initiatives. Want public trust CMS? Tell the truth. Get rid of wasteful programs or policies. Get rid of the spin doctors you hire who perpetuate the myths. Own what needs to be owned. There is plenty good to promote. Strategic Staffing simply is not one of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1819850637666173640.post-37068663143506510592012-03-07T16:20:00.511-05:002012-03-07T16:20:00.511-05:00Jon the teacher -
Why do people continuously beli...Jon the teacher -<br /><br />Why do people continuously believe that outside factors cannot be accounted for in student testing? If your students currently show XX% improvement over the year in your class and average 0.5XX% in all other classes - don't you think that would be good, quantified evidence of your skills? If you were transferred to a terrible school with terrible kids but your improvement XX% is still twice that of other teachers - it is good evidence you are a good teacher. In this way, it doesn;t matter what the actual grades of the kids are - just how much they improved over the year. This be compared year over year and over time it will be pretty statistically obvious who is teaching kids better than others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1819850637666173640.post-65981684543154306552012-03-07T15:42:19.140-05:002012-03-07T15:42:19.140-05:00Ann, as you point out, many things Hugh said are n...Ann, as you point out, many things Hugh said are not true. How do we get the accurate information to the state legislators? Of course the most truest statement he said was..<br /><br />"The classroom teacher is the key to success because the classroom teacher is the single biggest <b> school-based </b> factor in student achievement."<br /><br />However, this one factor is almost a non factor considering the greater influences outside of school that drag these kids down.<br /><br />Armed the the facts, might we have a chance to send this CMS ivory tower packing and make CMS just a set of Mecklenburg County charter schools?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1819850637666173640.post-18103127262444707312012-03-07T14:50:22.147-05:002012-03-07T14:50:22.147-05:0012:05, couldn't have said it better myself. Th...12:05, couldn't have said it better myself. That's exactly what I've seen -- a couple of schools that have performed very well, several that (by CMS' own measures) didn't do as well as comparable schools without Strategic Staffing and many that are too new to judge. And CMS closed Spaugh, which was touted as an early strategic staffing success but never produced great results. Yeah, my eyes bugged when I saw the "overwhelming success" label.Ann Doss Helmshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03511764376105157616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1819850637666173640.post-12743516020182899992012-03-07T14:01:27.419-05:002012-03-07T14:01:27.419-05:00give the teachers a raise...how could they survive...give the teachers a raise...how could they survive if everything else is rising? appreciation starts with a raise...lets move on this quickly!!!VFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1819850637666173640.post-27320820326182005532012-03-07T13:53:02.160-05:002012-03-07T13:53:02.160-05:00We have to realize that a lot of the pay system re...We have to realize that a lot of the pay system relies on the state. The state has frozen the pay, the state does not offer incentives. Locally, only so much can be done with limited resources.Shellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08326464912307975129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1819850637666173640.post-45496742982703144902012-03-07T13:23:49.801-05:002012-03-07T13:23:49.801-05:00@ John: As a teacher, I know both the subjective ...@ John: As a teacher, I know both the subjective nature of teacher evaluations (and was in CMS when the mandate to arbitrarily downgrade all ratings was given (5 or so years ago). I also know that, as a teacher, I teach who is put in front of me. I do not get to select my students; therefore, why should my pay scale be based off of factors beyond my control (parental involvement, individual desire, innate ability, socio-economic factors) that impact student achievement as much, if not more, than what I do in my classroom. I asked to see OBJECTIVE measures of performance. And quite honestly, I am completely in favor of merit pay. I'd make a lot more than I do. But teacher efficacy cannot objectively be quantified. In my present position, I am a very successful teacher. I have highly motivated students from homes where the family values education. Now, take me and put me at West Charlotte, Garinger, Olympic, etc..., and I would certainly not be as effective because of the factors/barriers to education that impact those students. Same teacher. Same abilities. Much different outcome. What has changed? Did I somehow forget how to teach? Or is it that those in front of me are not willing participants in their education? Plainly put, you could take the entire staff from the best high school in NC and move that staff to the worst, and the staff from the worst to the best school, and nothing is going to change except for our perceptions of the teachers. Those teachers who were "awful" are now magnificent, and those who were "magnificent" are "underachieving." Could that be why I am against state tests (that have many flaws in them to begin with)as a measure of my efficacy? Or is that to NEA for you?jon goldenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04108352127644461080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1819850637666173640.post-70785361907061416502012-03-07T12:51:16.142-05:002012-03-07T12:51:16.142-05:00Jon Golden,
So you reject any measurement of meri...Jon Golden,<br /><br />So you reject any measurement of merit as worthless but you want to raise their pay. Spoken like the NEA!Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11790338138769707016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1819850637666173640.post-61463516968137908922012-03-07T12:31:21.640-05:002012-03-07T12:31:21.640-05:00Forget re-vamping the pay scale...how about un-fre...Forget re-vamping the pay scale...how about un-freezing it?!? I want to see how you evaluate teachers' productivity. Either it is through test scores and they are wholly unreliable or it is through subjective evaluations, where personal biases.agendas may influence one's pay scale.jon goldenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04108352127644461080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1819850637666173640.post-91804813260292379942012-03-07T12:05:14.444-05:002012-03-07T12:05:14.444-05:00Strategic staffing an "overwhelming" suc...Strategic staffing an "overwhelming" success? Really? Ann, since you have looked at the data from the strategic staffing initiative,(and so have I), I would like to hear your reaction to the term "overwhelming" used to describe the results from SSI. There were pockets of success but I would stop way short of calling it an "overwhelming" success given the cost.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1819850637666173640.post-43727606080045950462012-03-07T11:58:16.890-05:002012-03-07T11:58:16.890-05:00Two comments by Hattabaugh pretty much sum up the ...Two comments by Hattabaugh pretty much sum up the dismal job he and other educrats have done for decades in their industry....<br /><br /><b>In order to succeed, all of our students need to be well educated.</b><br /><br />..and number two:<br /><br /><b>Some of our teachers are doing a great job of making sure students learn. Some are doing an adequate job in the classroom. And some are not. We need a way to identify who’s who – a reliable, accurate, affordable and easily understandable way to measure teacher effectiveness. Who’s doing great work? Who needs professional development and coaching to do better work? Who might be better suited to other work?</b><br /><br />WOW!..Hugh? You mean we have never had any idea that in order for students to succeed they need a quality education?<br /><br />And to this point, you have had NO clue as to who your good teachers are versus your bad ones? What have educrats been doing for the past 50 years?<br /><br />There is no question if you're a great teacher versus an average teacher you should be compensated for it, but in the end, the ONE thing you and others don't want to talk about is the variable in the room, which are the kids.<br /><br />Teachers and the public school system are not responsible for what goes in the home, but do have to deal with the consequences of it, which is lack of parental involvement.<br /><br />Hugh, you people have no clue as to which kids truly qualify for the benefits they get, which in turn costs taxpayers more money to fill buckets for programs they don't qualify for.Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.com